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April 23, 2010

The right Southeast Asia budget, from the hi & thank you blog

Becca and Nate at Surin Elephant Festival in Thailand. Photo: Becca

Becca and Nate in Surin, Thailand. Photo: Becca

Becca and Nate are the writers of the hi & thank you blog, for which they were recognized as a 2010 Lonely Planet Featured Blogger.

In the post Reflecting: The Cost of Travel, Becca paints a vivid financial and spiritual portrait of their trip through Southeast Asia.

Aside from safety, the cost of going abroad is the biggest worry of most would-be vagabonders. Glossy magazines and splashy TV spots make travel seem impossible to afford. Becca’s blog post goes some way to correcting this perception.

Becca kindly shared her views on the subject with Vagablogging.

How did you get the money to fund your trip?

We saved, saved, saved. We had professional jobs and we just lived below our means and stopped buying stuff.

Can you recommend any tips and tools for budgeting a trip?

In the months leading up to the trip, we staggered our travel-prep purchases. First the plane ticket. Then a new camera. Then travel insurance. Then a netbook. All of these things were purchased separately from the money we were putting aside for the trip.

Before we left, we were both using Mint.com, which is great for budgeting at home — you can set monthly budgets and see in great data visualizations what you’re spending your money on — but abroad, especially in Asia, most purchases are made in cash, so it’s not as handy.

To get an idea of an appropriate daily allowance, use the wealth of information on the internet: Travelfish.org is a great resource for traveling through Southeast Asia, and Lonelyplanet.com has a variety info on places all over the world. Both have forums where travelers discuss issues from A to Z, and prices and costs of travel are a huge topic of conversation.

Any advice for how to make your travel dollar stretch further? Could you tell us how much you spent in total?
Staying in places for longer will help stretch your dollar. By sticking around, you’re spending less on transportation, learning where the cheap eats in town can be found, and your leverage for bargaining on accommodation is much better.
Eat locally. Take public transportation. Don’t be afraid to haggle, but be respectful and stay in good spirits. Consider buying instead of renting gear.

We spent a total of $16,000, of which $3,000 went towards diving. All scuba aside, we spent $13,000 over seven months, which averages out to $62 per day or $1860 per month. This was a bit over our guiding budget of $50 a day, but it was mostly things like insect repellent, sunscreen, batteries and souvenirs that blew our budget.

Were there any surprise expenses you’d like to warn other travelers about?
Check on visa fees, which can be substantial. A Cambodian visa for an American is $35, for Canadians I think it’s $46. To stay in the Philippines for longer than three weeks costs $60. (Edit: A Cambodia visa costs US$20. Try checking on ProjectVisa.com for details on visas.)
We’ve learned that every time we come anywhere near an airport there will be unexpected expenses. Your bag is too heavy, the bus to get out to the budget terminal takes two hours, there’s a whopping $16 departure fee, and don’t forget to pay the terminal fee.
What things were worth paying more for?
We decided to do The Gibbon Experience three days before we hopped into the van and headed to the jungle because at the last minute we thought it would be worth it… and it was. At around $260 for three days and two nights, it’s no small investment, but when you’re sleeping in a treehouse 50 meters from the ground or zipping through the jungle canopy at lightening speed, the money no longer matters.

Did you encounter any major challenges while on the road? How did you solve them?

The biggest challenge we encountered was about half way through our trip when I got typhoid — I think it was from a dish at a roadside stand on the way to Mae Hong Son in Northern Thailand. Luckily, I went to the doctor before it got too bad, but I still had to stay in bed for over a week recovering, and spent two weeks suffering from the industrial strength antibiotics they gave me. The irony of the situation was that the vaccination I got before we left the states (that didn’t work), cost three times more than getting treated in Thailand — having blood tested, seeing a doctor and paying for all five medications.

Nate

Nate

Were there any advantages/disadvantages to traveling as a couple?

The advantages are huge. For starters, traveling in a pair costs less, especially in Asia where dorm beds aren’t the norm. For sports — climbing, kayaking, hiking and diving — you’ve always got a partner. And someone’s always got your back. I would have been much worse off if Nate wasn’t there to take care of me when I was sick with typhoid. Couples be warned, though: traveling together long term can make or break a relationship.

The main disadvantage when traveling as a couple is that you probably meet fewer people than the solo traveler. When two people are sitting together having a conversation, they’re hard to approach. And we found ourselves sitting together having conversations a lot. Even so, we’ve made some great friends along the way.

You have an excellent blog. Can you share any advice on blogging?

Thanks! I think investing time is the key. Before you leave home learn whatever platform you’re using and take time to make the blog feel like you. Then when you’re on the road stay disciplined. Sometimes it’s not fun to spend four hours reviewing, editing, and uploading photos then writing a post to match, but you have to set aside this time to make a quality blog.

What were your favorite experiences on your trip?

Ziplining through the jungle canopy and over the morning mist in Northern Laos on the Gibbon Experience. Chatting with a monk for hours about life, religion and family in Chiang Mai. Breathing underwater for the first time in Nha Trang. Coming face to face with whale sharks in Sogod Bay. Witnessing the power of nature and the grandness of the ancient Angkor civilization at Ta Prohm in Siem Reap. Jumping off Chinese junk boats and onto limestone rock faces in Ha Long Bay. Dancing around a bonfire and skinny dipping under a full moon in Padre Burgos.

How do you think travel has changed you?

Travel in general has made me more open-minded, accepting and patient. Developing the patience needed for traveling through Asia was no easy task coming from New York, and I hope I can hold on to this new found virtue after I return home. I appreciate downtime more. Traveling sometimes means spending endless hours on buses with nothing to do except think about life — past, present and future — and it’s in these long hours that you really start to know yourself. I’ve learned that adventures start in very common places and you never know how or where you’ll meet your next life-long friend.

Other than that, I’ve overcome my fear of rock climbing and squat toilets, become an avid scuba diver, learned to make a mean curry and to say Hi and Thank you in seven additional languages.

You’ll be returning home soon. What did you miss most from home while you were away?

Aside from friends and family… Wine, cheese and bathtubs. Nate would add New York pizza and Hulu.com — I can agree with those.

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Category: Asia, Backpacking, Money Management, Notes from the collective travel mind, Vagabonding Advice


10 Responses to “The right Southeast Asia budget, from the hi & thank you blog”

  1. Luke Says:

    Just for clarity, when referring to Visa Fees, you state that the costs are different dependent on nationality with Americans paying $35 and Canadians $46. I was travelling around SE Asia about 6 months ago, and at that time the Cambodian Visas were a fixed $20 per person (or $40 on the Poi Pet Border Gate, as a result of crooked officials and tour operators). I remember that Laotian Visas were charges based on nationality, with Canadians being targeted with the most expensive fees. Did you get Laos and Cambodia confused in this regard?

  2. Becca Says:

    Hi Luke, you’re absolutely right, I was thinking of Laos. And come to think of it, we crossed the Laos border on a Sunday and were charged an extra $1 “overtime” fee because it was a weekend. Thanks for catching that!

  3. Rebecca Says:

    Love the chimp picture! Thanks for the great advice on traveling on a budget. It helps if you do live below your means so you can save more. As for traveling as a couple, did you have any disagreements or get on each others nerves? Becca, what happens if you want to do something and Nate doesn’t and vice versa? Do you go by yourself or blow off your plans? Traveling as a couple is a fabulous way to “test” a relationship. It with either make you stronger or make you realize the person you’re with is not the one for you.

  4. Interview on Vagablogging Says:

    [...] a huge inspiration for long term travel. After a bit of back and forth, the post is now featured on vagablogging.net along with a bit more info — Q&A style — about traveling and budgeting for travel. [...]

  5. Elizabeth Says:

    I love this! Becca and Nate – what an inspiration you are!

  6. Stephen Says:

    “Dancing around a bonfire and skinny dipping under a full moon in Padre Burgos.”

    I actually just left Burgos, and Liz and Kit spoke very highly of you and were telling me I should check out your blog! Fancy seeing you on here, now!

    I’m about a month into a year and a half trip, so I think I need to set aside some time to read through your blog in the near future!

  7. Vibeke Says:

    You’ve done so well guys! Both in experiencing the world and creating a great epic of your experiences. Thanks for sharing! We’ll be going to Laos in November, and would love to do the Gibbon Experience. We’ll be travelling with our kids aged 5 & 8. Do you know if they can do the zipline?

  8. David @ Malaysia Asia Says:

    Becca & Nate, you rock! I would love to visit Laos again (been 2 yrs since my last visit) and Luang Prabang is on to of my list too. Have a great trip in Laos!

    David

  9. Kendall Says:

    Hey Becca! I have loved following you and Nate’s adventures on your blog! I am so excited that y’all had the motivation and courage to let yourselves have this incredible opportunity and adventure. Looking forward to seeing you when you get back to the states!

    Love, Kendall

  10. Chris Says:

    What an adventure! Can’t wait to see you guys.

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